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Poster: Javik Date: Nov 25, 2006 6:15pm
Forum: petabox Subject: 24-drives on one SAS channel, from SuperMicro

There is, however, another way to get your hands on SAS expanders that are not so expensive. SuperMicro for example, is making a SATA hot-plug drive enclosure which incorporate SAS expanders right into the enclosure. You just keep plugging the enclosures together in a long chain. SuperMicro CSE-M28E1 SAS SATA HDD TRAY 8X2.5IN 1X EXPANDER, $335 Look at the bottom of the page and you can see they show how you can daisychain three of these, for 24 2.5" SATA drives on a single SAS controller.
This post was modified by Javik on 2006-11-26 02:15:04

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Poster: Javik Date: Nov 25, 2006 6:14pm
Forum: petabox Subject: Oh look, the first ever 2.5 inch SAS hard drive

Hmm, okay, so this is sort of new. Bleeding-edge new. :) Fujitsu MAV2073RC 74GB 10,000 RPM 8MB Cache Serial Attached SCSI (SAS) Hard Drive, OEM, $639 Features: * Mean-time-between-failure (MTBF) of 1,400,000 power-on hours * The industry's first 2.5-inch small-form-factor serial-attached SCSI (SAS) interface * Native Command Queuing, providing faster execution of operation commands * Uses smaller connectors and cables than U320, a benefit acknowledged by the SCSI Trade Association (STA) -------------- But for high-speed access, smaller is better since the head-arm doesn't have to cover such a large area, and can be lower mass for greater movement speed: Average Seek Time: 4ms Average Write Time: 4.5ms Average Latency: 2.99ms A smaller platter also means they can spin it faster for even higher throughput. Once this technology has had time to mature it may eventually move up to 20,000 RPM platters. -Javik
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Poster: Javik Date: Nov 29, 2006 12:34pm
Forum: petabox Subject: Re: Make that --144-- 2.5" drives on one SAS channel

Heh, SuperMicro has some really powerful products but their product info pages do not do a good job of explaining the full capabilities of the hardware.

If you take a look at the manual for the E1/E2 chassis you will see that it's not limited to 24 drives, but in fact up to 144 drives:

Page 4 says:
w/potential support of up to 144 SAS devices (*Note)

*Note: The availability of SAS-devices supported depends on the readiness of firmware and hardware support. The firmware support and the hardware support for SAS devices are not validated at the time of publishing of this manual. It's subject to change.

And it seems that the main difference between the E1 and the E2 is that, as with the SC933 in my other post, the E2 has a redundant data channel to be used with SAS hard drives that have dual I/O ports on them.

So it looks to me that if you were to use just cheap SATA-II drives, you only need the E1 SAS backplane, as cheap SATA-II drives don't have the redundant I/O port available on the hotplug connector in the E2 chassis.

On page 8 of the backplane diagram, the E1 just has the four ports on the right side. The E2 has both the four on the right and the four on the left.

When cascading (daisy-chaining) the E1 chassis, two ports go to the SAS controller, and two ports are pass-through to the next E1 chassis.

When cascading (daisy-chaining) the E2 chassis, two ports go to one SAS controller, two ports to a second SAS controller, and four ports are pass-through to the next E1 chassis.

Meanwhile, if you only use one chassis, you can use all four (on the E1) or all eight (on the E2) to connect the single chassis to a single SAS card, though why you might do this is not explained.

I am assuming that when multiple SAS channels are used in parallel, it gives better performance. Perhaps it permits parallel drive accesses at 3.0Gbit, but again it is not explained.

An engineering degree in SAS technology may be required to understand all the hardware options available here. :-)